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There is much blather going around about the collapse of the "Republican Party" or "conservativism".  I find the word "conservative" laughable by the Republican Party as if the Republican party can even call itself "conservative". Is there such a thing?

A true Conservative in America were and are the Loyalists. If one upholds the American revolution that means one is progressive and NOT conservative. I find this quite ludicrous. It is no wonder that the Republican party or conservative principles are non-existent. There has never nor will there be anything "conservative" about the Republican party until they start being Loyalists.  And a Loyalist would be a Monarchist.

It is funny that the supposedly Conservative party instigated and led the Civil War.

It is funny that the supposedly Conservative party signed the Civil Rights Act.

It is funny that the supposedly Conservative party has a female as the VP candidate.

There is nothing conservative about the Republican Party, not at its inception, nor in anything it has done in the past 150 years.

The Conservative party in America has always been the Loyalists.  Somehow that is forgotten and history is turned around and the winners of the revolution label themselves "conservatives".  That can not be made to stand.

The next time someone says that they are conservative, ask them "Are you a Loyalist?". And if they answer with a no with a shocked look on their face--tell them then, they are not conservative at all.

A true American conservative is only one who is a loyalist.

The total depravity of this year's national election is clear sign that the vulgar class does not have the potentiality of ever ruling itself. This ought to disabuse anybody of sound intellect and right moral character, that the vulgar class is capable of running anything.  It is one sad despicable event.

Loyalist (true conservativism) till death. Long live the Queen of England.


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Psh, the Queen of England doesn't seem all that conservative... but anyway...

I agree, the Democrats were the more conservative of the two parties until the Kennedy era. After that, the meaning of Conservatism was abit more muddled. The 60's were a TERRIBLE time in the 20th century on every front. Sex movements, Vatican II, Decolonisation, etc....

I think true conservatism is experiencing a renaissance since Ron Paul came onto the scene, but we'll see.
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She's not the Queen of England.
She is Queen of:

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Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
The Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Grenada
Jamaica
New Zealand
Papua New Guinea
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Solomon Islands
Tuvalu
United Kingdom of Great Britain and (Northern) Ireland

* The Dominion of British West Florida

We loyalists notice such things....
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Psh, the Queen of England doesn't seem all that conservative... but anyway...

I agree, the Democrats were the more conservative of the two parties until the Kennedy era. After that, the meaning of Conservatism was abit more muddled. The 60's were a TERRIBLE time in the 20th century on every front. Sex movements, Vatican II, Decolonisation, etc....

I think true conservatism is experiencing a renaissance since Ron Paul came onto the scene, but we'll see.

Ron Paul is no true conservative either.  Doing away with 600 years of Common Law to fix a border control problem.......
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That's fine, doesn't make her anymore Conservative, just gives her several more titles.


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Our borders must be secured as soon as possible, it is a matter of national security and most any method of doing so is acceptable.
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I have always found the name Progressive Conservative strange. I feel that the most important element of conservatism is social conservatism not fiscal conservatism. The Blue Tories mascaraing as the "Conservative Party of Canada" are not true conservatives. Only the Red Tories are truly conservatives and Tories. American and, unfortunately, now Canadian "conservatism" disgusts me. True conservatives would uphold the church, marriage, the right to life, the monarchy, our heritage and our other institutions that have made up our society for centuries.
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There is much blather going around about the collapse of the "Republican Party" or "conservativism".  I find the word "conservative" laughable by the Republican Party as if the Republican party can even call itself "conservative". Is there such a thing? A true Conservative in America were and are the Loyalists. If one upholds the American revolution that means one is progressive and NOT conservative. I find this quite ludicrous. It is no wonder that the Republican party or conservative principles are non-existent. There has never nor will there be anything "conservative" about the Republican party until they start being Loyalists.  And a Loyalist would be a Monarchist. It is funny that the supposedly Conservative party instigated and led the Civil War. It is funny that the supposedly Conservative party signed the Civil Rights Act. It is funny that the supposedly Conservative party has a female as the VP candidate. There is nothing conservative about the Republican Party, not at its inception, nor in anything it has done in the past 150 years. The Conservative party in America has always been the Loyalists.  Somehow that is forgotten and history is turned around and the winners of the revolution label themselves "conservatives".  That can not be made to stand. The next time someone says that they are conservative, ask them "Are you a Loyalist?". And if they answer with a no with a shocked look on their face--tell them then, they are not conservative at all. A true American conservative is only one who is a loyalist. The total depravity of this year's national election is clear sign that the vulgar class does not have the potentiality of ever ruling itself. This ought to disabuse anybody of sound intellect and right moral character, that the vulgar class is capable of running anything.  It is one sad despicable event. Loyalist (true conservativism) till death. Long live the Queen of England.
I agree mostly. The so-called conservatives in a country founded on revolutionary radicalism are only more moderate samples of the same revolutionary type who happen to appreciate a thing or two about civilisation. Of course, they like to bastardise civilisation and take the parts they fancy while leaving out the foundation, almost as if the history of Christian society is like an auction where they can take whatever novelty they please and pervert it by mixing it into a dark, foul-smelling cauldron of gnostic liberalism like a mob of magicians. And yet, they are not as bad as their perceived opponents, the so-called liberals and progressivists, who have no sense of measure or proportion at all and are nothing more than smug, self-righteous barbarians with no sense of what is right and fit; they lead a miserable existence, a black cloud hangs over the cursèd everyday actions that compose their cursèd empty lives. They have succumbed to the idiocy expected of them by the people who shaped them, so much so that their actions and thoughts are framed within objective madness.
Truly, Americans in general, so long as they accept the principles of their government and the overarching cultural ethos, will always be foul revolutionaries. The differences are of flavour and degree, not of kind. At least the so-called conservatives can occasionally say tolerable things and behave like decent and civilised people, but ultimately their position is built on the shifting sands of liberalism. Notice, for instance, how the Republicans and their various supporters have shifted left to appeal to the fickleness of the mob that has been liberalised by the themes of popular culture and popular literature. And who decides what themes show on television, the movies, and what books are read in school ? Who runs the advisory boards and owns the majority of shares in the companies that administer this morass of satanic poison but the pure revolutionaries, those who have severed the roots that unite them to the very legacy of the human race ? They pursue an increasingly extreme agenda like an army making steady advances towards a capital city, a phenomenon reflected in the platform of the Democratic Party. The revolutionaries also lecture at university and make sympathetic films on whatever issue is currently popular. They break down the pillars of society with the efficiency of clockwork.
And so, in order to garner votes, the conservatives make accommodations to the newest way by which the mob has been benighted. Now, finally but predictably, the Republican Party and the conservatives are more left-wing today than the Democratic Party was only thirty years ago. The more these false conservatives attempt to stand in the quicksand of their position, the deeper they sink into the bowels of the earth. Their company consists of little more than those who have adopted the popular religion (also tailored to the decrees of the zeitgeist) and others who are naturally skeptical of the newest innovations but are unwilling to perform an honest assessment of them. Nostalgics, the indecisive, and unmanly moderates have never conquered anything or built anything that lasts; so, too, shall go the conservatives of America.
That being said, what about Americans that live in places that were never under British control ? For instance, I was born in the historic territory of French Louisiana. Do you propose that I should align myself with the United Kingdom ?
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Our borders must be secured as soon as possible, it is a matter of national security and most any method of doing so is acceptable.


Ron's plan is to 'deport' American Citizens based on the crimes of their parents....






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No, you'd be better off finding a King for France.... (Now that'll be a Quest....)
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Psh, the Queen of England doesn't seem all that conservative... but anyway...
You don't think rubber-stamping every little thing Labour can think of is conservative ?
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I agree, the Democrats were the more conservative of the two parties until the Kennedy era. After that, the meaning of Conservatism was abit more muddled. The 60's were a TERRIBLE time in the 20th century on every front. Sex movements, Vatican II, Decolonisation, etc....
No kidding. They even managed to subvert the good things happening on the Iberian Peninsula.
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That is interesting. I have noticed that, too. For instance, suddenly it seems that 'conservatives' have a newfound interest in the writings of men such as Richard Weaver. Perhaps passing the gates out of the Republican and neo-conservative camp will be the way to Maistre, Cortés, and the Old Faith.
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CTEQR, have you ever thought about moving to France and supporting one of their monarchist movements?

That territory has also historically been under the control of the Spanish Kings. It could be incorporated into a restored Spanish Empire and the parts of the US east of the Mississippi given to the British Monarch.
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CTEQR, have you ever thought about moving to France and supporting one of their monarchist movements?
Quite often. I have always intended to do so once I acquire the means. I am currently just a broke student.
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That territory has also historically been under the control of the Spanish Kings.
True, but they ceased to claim or administer it at the Treaty of Ildefonso. Even then, they only administered it for forty-one years.
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It could be incorporated into a restored Spanish Empire and the parts of the US east of the Mississippi given to the British Monarch.
Potentially it could, if the Spaniards conquered it. The King of France does not possess his throne and so cannot sign a treaty formally transferring rights, as I understand it. Frankly, I would fight this contingency. Louisiana should be restored to her natural borders -- the Rockies and the Appalachians. Vive le Roy !
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Psh, the Queen of England doesn't seem all that conservative... but anyway...


You don't think rubber-stamping every little thing Labour can think of is conservative ?

Well, the idea that she has to stamp it or it is not Law is....
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Frankly, I would fight this contingency. Louisiana should be restored to her natural borders -- the Rockies and the Appalachians. Vive le Roy !

I could see/support the Rockies to the Mississippi.  (The Isle of New Orleans might be negotatiable....)  Though the Texas and Southwest issues might raise troubles with the Spanish Loyalists....

God Save the Queen &
Vive le Roy

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Ignited firestorm.  Fanning the flames.

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"And so, in order to garner votes, the conservatives make accommodations to the newest way by which the mob has been benighted."
I have also observed this. It is quite strange that a supposedly "conservative" party then adopts some of the progressive policies that were rejected 20 years ago.  Notice that under Reagan, the Republican platform said it was about doing away with the Department of Education.  Then Jorge Busheron, comes on and states "I'm the Educational President" and pushes  this "No Child Left Behind Act".  Where in the constitution does it give the federal government say in education? No where. Yet, the Republican party flip-flopped in twenty years; to once opposing the Dept. of Education and then not only embracing it but then advancing government control in every local school.

It makes no sense.

There is really no understanding of Conservativism. The term conservativism was coined by the French for those that resisted the revolution and upheld the Old Order. You can't be a conservative and uphold a Novus Ordo. I mean I look at all these people and just shake my head in disbelief at the amount of self-delusion. And Americans are some of the most deluded people out there. National Review is NOT conservative and this is what is so dangerous about American conservativism is that it is a lie selling a delusion that it is "conservative" and that is why there is nothing intellectual or principled about American conservativism at all.  It is totally vapid, without substance, without truth.

A conservative conserves the Old Order. A conservative is a Loyalist.

And yes, the Queen is not very conservative herself. I imagine most of the British royalty have the multi-culti, globalist, political correct heresy as well.
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