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ZAROVE

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Just out of curiosity, and in a manner getign to know eahc others backgrounds, I wonder, in our modern age, what drew you to Monarchy?

For me, it was ismple logic. I never udnerstood the rarional basis for electign officials, since this seemed to me that the winner of a Popularity contest got to rule, and even those who voted agaisnt him are subjext to him.


I also noted how it seems irratrional to thuink the will of the majoirty is equivolent to that which si right.

I alos took stock nt he endless division ebtween political parties and thier adherance, and how, especilaly in pure repubis liek the US, this caused a cultural divide.



Of ocurse beign of British Stock I also have conenctions to the royalty that way, and dound the system more pleasing to me since it seemed balanced, and not as divisive.

So, I ended up a Monarhcist by thibnking the enture system flawed for voting, but this occured simply an dplainly for me with no grand story to tell.


What of the rest of you?

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http://www.royaltymonarchy.com/opinion/whymon.html (1999)

http://www.royaltymonarchy.com/opinion/ideology2.html (2002)



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Good question, Zarove. Royalcello has provided eloquent and cogent answers that he had prepared already. I will try. Firstly, I am not entirely a monarchist. For example, I believe that the United States is properly and traditionally a Republic. I am a monarchist for those states that should be monarchies, including my own.

The Queen is in some way all of us, she is our country, as her son and grandson will in due course be. Having a symbol, who is also a person, that we can adhere to reminds us all of how ancient our country is, how deep its roots are, and above all that it is governed by law, not whim. Very old and deep-rooted law, of which the Queen is the personification. The whims of politicians have effect only if enacted by Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen.

That is a valuable check on them, in my view. I would like Her Majesty to have a little more choice in the matter, but that's not how it works at present. Her presence is still a reminder of the ancientness of the land, and all authority still comes from her, even though the politicians dispose they still must consider her. I do not wish that to change, so will continue to support the monarchy.
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The system of Monarch, and Lords, and Commons, has afforded the greatest liberty known to man.  I therefor support it as an institution, and wish to see all three branches properly restored to their correct positions.

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Well, Peter and Baron, I was more interested in what lead you to the conclusion of monarchism.

Not the preasent values you hold to as a Monarchist.

I'm curious as to why you began to think Monarchy was the option you favoured, and what lead to this sort of thinking overall.



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Reading of the Scriptures naturally inclines on to monarchism, and it had that affect on me.

Noting how the British Empire gave birth to many rather nice nations (and most of them peacefully) also had its affect towards that end.

Seeing the failure of the American Republic to uphold its own Constitution brought to my attention that some one (not some office, group, or institution) had to be in a position to 'call their hand' when the courts went nuts - and a Monarch fits that job description quite well....


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I got that bit, Zarove, but answered from my heart, as best I could, as to why I support monarchism now. I truly have little idea as to why I began to. As long as it makes sense to me now, does that matter?

Probably it was because of my reading, that began to present to me that the Will of the People was not always best expressed by republicanism. All regimes have ultimately to survive by the Will of the People, and monarchy is no exception. But the People do sometimes feel that they quite like having a monarch. Why should they not? That is for opponents to answer.

Over a period of time, quite long ago, I became convinced that constitutional monarchy was the best, and indeed current, solution for my country. I have remained so convinced. My private genealogical interests have nothing to do with the subject. That is my hobby, I think that shift and balance between various powers are the best way of keeping Britain on an even keel. For example, the ancientry of the monarchy balancing the democratic legitimacy of the Government (which the present one has none of, but that is another subject).


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The idea of an efficient Christian monarch by far trumped everything I had dealt with being raised on Republicanism. I like the idea of a traditionally coronated king done so in the name of God. The logic of this is by far the best form of government in my eyes.

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I gues it started when I was growing up, fairly early.  Kingship was a powerfully attractive thing.  Later I was more concerned by the way that modernity is self-destructively at war with the past, and with human nature.  Then I made the philosophy (and theology) of the natural order part of my graduate studies, and became convinced that kingship was one of those things intrinsic to human nature and the nature of human society.  My faith as a Catholic Christian had a lot to do with this, but the grounds for my monarchism are based on the natural order and not just on my faith. 

I do not think it is romanticism, but hard-headed reality that brought me to my present conclusions.  It is Republican Democracy that has a thoroughly romantic and unreal view of human nature (following the arch-Romantic Rousseau), with unspeakably cruel and bloody results over the past 200+ years.   Even a good king is always obviously a fallible person; but that tyrannical abstract "The People" easily and inevitably becomes a bloodthirsty and demonic idol. 
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I am a Monarchist because I was born in a Country Modern Greece that was made what it is now, a free Democratic Country large and prosperous, because of the Leadership of their Kings.After Centuries of Ottoman Occupation the Greeks were liberated for good, after their Revolution which started in 1821 March 25th,  by the combined Naval Forces of the Monarchies of England,France when King Louis -Philippe was in power 1930-1948 AD and Russia, when they defeated the Ottoman fleet at last.Then from that time under the Kingship of King Otto and later George I, his son Constantine I, Constantine's son George II,and George II''s brother Paul I  Greece was organized into a Modern Democratic State with a multi-party democratic Parliament and an Army and Navy and later Air Force and a Justice System.And Greece under the Leadership of Her Kings became large as it is now! I know my History! If it was not for the Monarchies of Europe supporting the Struggle of Independence of the Greeks and later helping her to organize into a Modern State by Providing her with Monarchs wise and patriotic who supported Greece and the Greek people there would be no Independent Greece now free and Democratic. I know my History! And I lived under the Kingship of King Paul I and his son King Constantine II who as a Crown prince won a Gold Medal in Sailing in the 1960 Olympic Games of Rome.I served in  the Greek Royal Air Force also.
So simply I am a patriotic Greek Monarchist that believes in Constitutional Monarchy.And I am grateful to the Modern Kings of Greece and to all the European Monarchies.




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I always say that I drank in my monarchism with my mother's milk, but that's not strictly true since I was allergic to my mum's milk and was nourished on goat's milk and oatmeal water. However, it does go back that far.

My father's mother was born in Sweden in the reign of of HM King Oskar II. She had two brothers, one named Oskar for the King and one named Gustav for the Crown Prince (later HM King) Gustav (V).

On my mother's side, my great grandfather was a shipbuilder in the Royal Dockyards at Portsmouth and my grandmother Olive Elsie Victoria Brown was kissed by HM the Queen Empress! HM had come to launch an HMS and kissed all the workers' babies who had been brought to the ceremony.

My grandfather, an American, jumped ship and enlisted in the Royal Field Artillery in 1915. Invalided back from Mesopotamia with dysentery, he fell in love with the head nurse on the ward (my grandmother) and married her. They went to the States for a couple of years and then returned to England where my mother was born and raised.

At the end of WW II my mum married a PFC in the USAAF and went to the States. My aunt married a Sgt in the (Canadian) Calgary Highlanders (the present Colonel-in-Chief of the Regiment is HM the Queen) and came to Canada, giving me a lifelong interest in the Dominion, culminating in my immigrating. Shortly after the girls married and left England, my grandmother did likewise and came to live with us. She remained an Englishwoman until the day she died, a proud member of the Royal Legion Auxiliary.

With both my grandmothers and my mother acting and talking as if monarchy were the normal state of things, it's not surprising that I turned out as I did. The first thing I remember, outside of family events, is the death of HM King George VI (Peter, note the correct number!) and the accession of HM the Queen. My sister still has the Coronation Doll she received as a souvenir.

It is only a small exaggeration when I say that I was 10 or 11 before I figured out that HM the Queen did not rule the US!

As I grew older, I went through a leftist 'rebellion' phase, but I soon returned to my roots. I have spent the last 30+ years as a convinced monarchist.
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There is something inherently legitimate and special about Monarchies,i have always been a lover of the past,and even if i became a Monarchist no more than a year ago,i do not think i have been a Anti-Monarchist in any point of my life
I have been discouraged by Democracy,i do not believe in it,and i think a Monarchy who accepts it,just self-destructs on due time,see how Britain and Spain,are Democratic nations,yet in Spain Communists burn  pictures of the King,and in Britain children refuse taking Oaths to her Majesty,Democracy and Progress will end will Monarchy soon enough,see Nepal
I am also a Monarchist,because i think the past was better,before this Consumerist Egalitarian Society


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When I first came on to this forum, I posted what drew me to monarchism (Developing My Monarchial Thought--General Forum).  Below, is the main body of what I wrote.
 
I have been coming to the realization that perhaps our current form of governing is not so much a governing by the people, but a governing by the political parties' elites.  Instead of deciding upon courses of action that would be good for the nation, the people, it seems rather that the efforts and energy of elected officials is primarily spent in the service of acquiring power for their particular political party.  This would explain why there is such partisanship, and such coveting of power by the political parties.  This would also explain why each political party is so invested in efforts to bring down the other party rather than being invested in efforts that would benefit the people as a whole.   Furthermore, this would explain why the political elites of the parties tend to ignore the will and sensitivities of the people and of even their own bases.  With the current character of the partisanship and the focus of the political powers on acquiring power rather than the exercise of wisdom, the people of the nation are left without an advocate who is truly non-partisan and able to act with dispassionate wisdom on behalf of the people.
 
In addition, the effect of this partisanship and the seeming inclination of the media to take sides along with the current ideologies of multiculturalism, "diversity-ism", and political correctness has divided the country.  The nation seems to be balkanized and left without a means for a true, visible unity.  We cannot unite around what the flag stands for anymore because there are many who do not believe in that symbol or the principles for which it stands.  To try to get people to unite around founding principles is difficult since: 1) they are abstractions and people generally need something more concrete and personal, and 2) there are many, again, who do not believe in those principles and would perhaps would like to see our country based on other principles.
 
It would seem, then, we have also come to a point in our common life as a nation that we are left without a means by which we can be truly unified.  Our culture has come to be "ordered" by a premise that each of us decides what is true and each individual is to live by their own fantasy of the truth, and so do not need to be "united" with anyone else in any common understanding or acceptance of an objective truth.  Hence, there is no objective unifying principle; only a chaos of subjectivity.  There is no visible, organic, tangible means by which the nation can be united.
 
It is becoming apparent that a monarchy would fulfill the two needs I have indicated above.  A monarchy can be an advocate of the people, since the concerns of the monarchy necessarily extends to the welfare of the people, and a monarchy does provide a means to rise above the partisanship.  Also, a monarch provides a visible, tangible, organic means by which the nation can be unified.  Perhaps a constitutional monarchy with a fairly strong monarch would offer relief from the failings of our current form of governing.

 



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I like the monarchy (constitutional monarchy) for the advantages, which is, the Royal Family is taught from an early age about leadership, diplomacy, and the military.. I also find the speaches of the presidents and candidates to be more rhetoric of no worth.
  I don't like a sovereign head to be a member of any political party... I like the tradition the monarchy has  that gives meaning to the country. They are like a spirit to the country.

        There is more to say about it and how I ended up being a monarchist is a long story that developed from around middle school on.


    
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I probably have the strangest and worst reasons for being a monarchist. Because of situations in my childhood I was forced to spend much time alone in my school's library. I was very interested in history and very advanced for my age. By 6th grade I was studying advanced political theory and by 8th grade I had read everything from Marx to Plato to the leaders of the French Revolution to Locke and beyond. I detested even from that age the idea of majority rule as chaotic. I saw that people in groups tended towards destruction and the worst things possible, so that left to themselves a society would collapse. This fear drew me especially to the writings of Benito Mussolini and by 10th grade I had read and could repeat word for word all of the original documents of the Italian Fascist Party. I also had in-depth arguments to defend these views and at one point debated three of my teachers at once on the topic and came out victorious. I realized, however, that the one thing about the ideology which bothered me was the one reason why I had to abandon it: it made the State into the individual leader in a way which was almost a form of idolatry. I knew that this could not be true so I left it (but, I must say, although I am ashamed to admit it, that even to this day I find many of his arguments very powerful and convincing) and started searching for a new concept. I could not shake myself of the notion of the necessity of a powerful State, no matter how hard I tried. Those who advocated State's rights and democracy I considered to be fools but I parroted their beliefs in the hope that I could just get rid of my previous notions. I couldn't. By my senior year in high school I had studied the European monarchies in Advanced Placement history and political science classes and knew that this is where I had to be: it had the force of history, religion, logic, and state rule behind it. When I read a quote from Aquanius saying it was the best form of government I knew I had found my place. I also realized I didn't have to give up my hatred of republicanism and constitutionalism because Absolutism had everything I desired in a political ideology and a socioeconomic system. That is why I am a monarchist now.


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