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Are there any monarchial claimants for Armenia and Georgia?
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Yes, there is an heir to the Georgian throne, HRH Prince Guiorgui Bagrationi de Mukhurani, a former race car driver who as king would be George XIV.  Most of what I know about him comes from an interview in the July 1993 issue of Royalty magazine (which used to be much more interesting than it now is; I let my subscription drop after they started putting the likes of Angelina Jolie on the cover); I haven't heard much about him since then. 

Prince George was born on February 22, 1944 and has two sons and a daughter from his first marriage and a son from his second marriage.  (Both marriages were celebrated in the Orthodox Church.)  He has been head of the ancient Georgian royal house, which ruled from the 3rd century A.D. until annexation by Russia in 1801, since the death of his father Irakly (1909-1977).  His aunt, Princess Leonida (b. 1914), married longtime Romanov pretender Vladimir Kirillovich of Russia (1917-1992), so their daughter Maria Vladimirovna (b. 1953), the current claimant to the Russian throne, is his first cousin.   Otherwise he is not related to other European royalty, though his mother (who died giving birth to him) was an Italian aristocrat, Countess Maria Antonietta Pasquini.

I don't know about Armenia.
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You might find some material of interest here:
http://georgien.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html
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Interestingly, Vittorio Emmanuelle is the current pretender to the Medieval Kingdom of Armenia. However, Nicholas II held the title Soveriegn of the Armenian Territories. I think that the Romanov's would be a better fit for Armenia given their Orthodox faith.
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The Romanovs are Eastern Orthodox (Chalcedonian) Christians while Armenians are Oriental Orthodox (Non-Chalcedonian) Christians.  The Romanovs would not be accepted by the Armenian Orthodox Apostolic Church.  It would be best for a native dynasty to emerge rather than the Russian Imperial House.
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The Armenia included in the royal titles of the House of Savoy is a different one, and no longer exists. It was an exile kingdom formed in Cilicia, in southern Turkey. No one as far as I know claims the throne of the original and still extant Armenia.
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OK then let's ask the Catholicos of Armenia who he thinks aught to be king. Then put that guy on the throne. Or maybe the Catholicos himself could be a regent.
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The two claimants to the throne of Georgia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugzar_Bagration-Gruzinsky

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Irakli_Bagration-Mukhranski

Although Prince Irakli, being western born and raise, is better known to the outside world, it would seem that Prince Nugzar has the more direct claim and also the support of most of the extended Bagration dynasty.  Prince Irakli is a cousin of Grand Duchess Maria Valdimirovna, heiress to the Russian Imperial throne.
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Actually, Prince David (the second son) became the new Head of the House after Prince George's passing. Prince Irakly (the eldest son; lives in Spain) having renounced his rights.

David is the only one of George's children to reside in Georgia.

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http://www.royalbagration.com/Introduction.html
http://www.monarhist.ru/news2008/news_2008-02-29.htm (English translation)
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Patriarch Ilia II is the kingmaker in Georgia

TREND Information, Azerbaijan 
Georgia Not Ready for Monarchy – Georgia’s Patriarch Ilia II
11.03.08 17:26

Georgia, Tbilisi, 11 March / TrendNews corr N. Kirtskhalia/ Georgia is not ready for monarchy. The Patriarch of Georgia Ilia II said on 9 March that the ecclesiastics and civilians discussed changing the Government into a monarchy.

“Neither the nation nor any monarchical person is ready for a monarchy at this point in time. Preparations for that should be held stage-by-stage,” the Patriarch said.

Ilia II initiated discussions on a Constitutional Monarchy two months ago. Clerical circles stated that the Patriarch can temporarily take on the monarch position until an adequate legatee from the Bagrationi dynasty grows up at the Church.


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A Patriarchal regency sounds brilliant.  It would give time to raise a Bagration child to be the next King with a sense of mission and duty ingrained in his upbringing.  It would be a bit unfair to spring a crown on Prince Nugzar Bagration-Gruzinsky at his age when he has had little expectation of it, or on a foriegn born Bagration-Mukhranski when they are fairly unfamilar with modern Georgia.  It's not like they've been preparing for this.
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True...but there was once a certain young Prince William of Denmark who discovered in the newspaper wrapping his lunch that he had been elected King of the Hellenes, and went on to become by far the most popular and successful of modern Greek monarchs.

I think the problem is not so much lack of "preparation" as the fact that people are less accepting of this sort of thing than they were in 1863....
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OK then let's ask the Catholicos of Armenia who he thinks aught to be king. Then put that guy on the throne. Or maybe the Catholicos himself could be a regent.

Ok, I do not want to drag out the issue of Papal temporal power into this thread, nor am I meaning to pick on you at all, but I am honestly curious here- if a statement like this were to be applied to the Bishop of Rome (who even from the Orthodox point of view ranks higher then the Patriarch of Armenia) and a Roman Catholic monarchy, many people would complain about unlawful Papal intrusion into the temporal sphere. Why is such an action deemed to be within the authority of an Orthodox patriarch, but not the Roman Pontiff?
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Bishop of Rome is the Primate of Italy, therefore unless you are and ultramontanist, his temporal influence ends at the Alps.

Armenia hasn't had a ruling king for 633 years. During most of those years King of Armenia has been one of the extended titles of the House of Savoy. The Catholicos was the de facto leader of Armenians. For example in the Russo-Persian War of 1722, Peter the Great enlisted the support of the Catholicos of Armenia to get Armenians to fight for him.
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